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Feb 28, 2007

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Any link to the original article which started this? I do not see it on JimZumbo.com.

I don't know much about hunting, but I can't imagine anyone hunting deer with an AR-15. Besides, most states have magazine limits for hunting rifles and shotguns. Most people I know who own or collect military style weapons shoot them in a range, at paper targets, and use a more traditional hunting rifle for deer.

For the most part, the big hunters I know are not military gun collectors, and the military gun collectors I know are not hunters. Similarly, most NRA members I know are gun collectors, not hunters. I do know one or two exceptions to this, but they are rare.

This whole dust-up seems strange.

Mark,

As I stated in my post above, the original article was removed. Here is an excerpt of that article. Draw your own conclusions:

Jim wrote:
“I call them “assault” rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I’ll go so far as to call them “terrorist” rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are “tackdrivers.”

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don’t need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I’ve always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don’t use assault rifles. We’ve always been proud of our “sporting firearms.”

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don’t need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let’s divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods. ”


On reading this again, I am reminded of the song, "Ya Got Trouble" from the Music Man, where Meredith Willson convinces his listeners that billiards is a gentleman's game while pool leads straight to the Devil.

You can mess with your own readership all you want, just don't mess with your boss' readership.

There's a reason that mags have an editorial staff. Unfortunately blogs don't usually have one.

OK, Outdoor Life aside, the guy still knows hunting guns. We're in a world where narrowcasting pays - methinks he'll bounceback, albeit with a smaller niche of more hardcore, traditionalist hunters.

The question is whether doing that niche is as profitable. I don't see a reason why it couldn't be.

David,

Thanks.

Jim's comments seem to me a reasonable statement. I don't understand the fuss.

I do take exception with the term "terrorist rifles", unless Jim is some kind of anarchist who thinks the local SWAT team or the U.S. Army are the real terrorists. But I understand his point. They are not hunting weapons, and except for the Biathlon, they are not sporting weapons. (That latter comment is to make the point there are ALWAYS exceptions.)

Anyway, throwing an occasional fireball into the blogosphere is not necessarily a bad journalistic idea. It can add spice to an otherwise dull dish. Kind of like the vocal variation Toastmasters' champions to keep listeners engaged in a speech.

My advice to those who are offended by Jim: Lighten up!

Whilst I agree that the paper has a duty to 'edit' the articles that it publishes if it feels that they are detrimental to its reputation I can't help but feel that tip-toe'ing around a blog readership's sensitivities defeats the point of a blog as a 'space in which to publish personal opinions and have a voice", unless the purpose of the blog is self-promotion and financial gain which, sadly many seem to be these days, rendering them less-than-blogs

In Virginia an AR-15's load (.223caliber/5.56mmNATO)is not a legal cartridge for whitetail.
On same note; since when are steel penetrating rounds used for hunting game?

Just had to ask that.

David:

I wrote a column defending Jim's point of view Tuesday in Capitol Hill Blue and the column drew 230 comments, mostly negative, before we closed off comments and directed readers to our bulletin board Tuesday night. Assault-style gun owners are a vocal bunch and the NRA got into the fight as well to add fuel to the fight.

As a hunter, I also see no valid reason to use an AR or similar assault-style weapon for hunting and while I don't support a legislated ban on sale of the weapons, I think Virginia is right to ban use of the .223 loaded cartridge for whitetail deer. Such ammo has no place in sport hunting. And while I own enough weapons to start a small war, you won't find any assault-style weapons in our gun safe.

Hope you and Gretchen are feeling better.

Doug

The type of gun does not define a terrorist, a person defines a terrorist. If a bill is to be passed it should be based on wether or not that person should own a "assualt rifle". People need to realize that a gun of any make is not a threat until put in the hands of a wrong person. As far as hunting purposses the smaller cal. that the hunter uses the better of a shot has to be made. To ban certian callibers from hunting is stupid. The AR is a great gun and has its place in hunting. I urge everyone to stand up for the right to use whatever gun they want to hunt with.

I have no intention of weighing in on the issue of guns and Second Amendment rights, nor on the appropriateness of using assault rifles for hunting deer. I am far too clever for that. Emotions run high and invective runs far whenever a gun issue moves center stage. To use a Cooper Anderson line (reporting from the heart of darkest Africa), it is just as easy to run into a bullet as to run away from one. Best to lie low.

I cannot, however, abide the hypocrisy, insincerity and generally disingenuous tone of both the Outdoor Life and Remington press releases.

Both begin by acknowledging Mr. Zumbo’s right to hold and express his opinions. Outdoor Life Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith writes: “We respect Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right to free speech.” Says the Remington Arms Company release: “Mr. Zumbo is entitled to his opinions and has the constitutional right to freely express those opinions.” They say what they say and then they do what they do, which is obviously another matter entirely. Mr. Zumbo is cut down and cut off by both for having dared to express opinions that are counter to their own and very particular best interests. They trample the First Amendment (in which lies the very soul of the Constitution) to ostensibly protect the Second.

It is, I suppose, laudable (if not predictable) that both Outdoor Life and Remington Arms stand proudly for the Second Amendment, this being the one amendment (of the two they invoke) that they DO actually believe in. It is not so commendable that both enterprises do their invoking in the context of hunting, something the Bill of Rights never intended. Or that Outdoor Life inanely claims, in its citing of Second Amendment rights, that said rights “do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with”.

Consider instead that this whole issue has nothing to do with the Second Amendment in the first place. After all, both Outdoor Life and Remington Arms very correctly acknowledge that Mr. Zumbo also believes in its principles, that he is “a lifelong hunter” (Remington Arms), and that he has been a “lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights (Outdoor Life).” Even if they believe that they are more honest and diligent in their advocacy, even if they are determined to show that they can raise the Second Amendment flag higher and wave it harder than the faithless Mr. Zumbo, ultimately they can find nothing in his contentious post that actually opposes the letter or even the spirit of Amendment II.

The actions they have taken to their eternal discredit were solely to protect and, hopefully, boost their respective franchises. They found a fulcrum they could use to leverage and expand their customer base. “We should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole”, writes Remington’s CEO Tommy Millner. “We appreciate the comments we've received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us”, writes Outdoor Life’s Todd Smith.

These two, hiding behind the Second Amendment, needed no guns of any type in effecting their assault on Mr. Zumbo’s reputation and the dismemberment of his career.

All this from people who say that he “has been a good friend” (Outdoor Life) and “a respected writer” with whom they have had “a long-standing relationship”. With friends like this…

Mr. Millner and Mr. Smith are hardly ‘sportsmen’. They are hypocrites and their actions the height – or, more appropriately put – the depth of hypocrisy.

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